KDE4 reviewed

13 Jan 2008  Desktop, Linux, Technology

Funny bug

I encountered one pretty funny bug whilst using the settings application, especially taking the whole, sometimes very heated GNOME vs. KDE debate regarding buttons and the HIG into account:

KDE 4.0 Button Overflow

Here’s how to reproduce it (not sure all steps are actually necessary):

  • Launch System Settings
  • Open up the “Appearance” settings
  • Go to the “Style” sub-setting
  • Open the “Effects” tab
  • Select “Enable GUI effects”
  • Choose the “Make Translucent” menu effect option
  • In the “Menu translucency type” dropdown, choose “XRender Blend”
  • Click “Apply”

Now an information dialog is displayed, warning these settings are invalid when using the Oxygen style (why were they displayed then, anyway?). Once pressing “OK” in this dialog, all buttons are displayed. Kinda funny :-)

One last remark about the settings system: when changing some setting, then reverting it manually to the exact previous value, then leaving the settings dialog, displays a warning message your settings aren’t saved, although you actually didn’t change them. I don’t know whether this can be solved in the KDE configuration system…

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15 Responses to “KDE4 reviewed”

  1. kv said on 13 Jan 2008 @ 1:39 pm

    Is seems that there is something wrong with you distribution: I’ve tried both self-compiled and kubuntu-provided packages of KDE4 and I have totally different Applications categories (for example Sound Mixer is directly in Multimedia category and so on) and I have no PC Floppy drive entry in the Computer tab.

  2. Nicolas said on 13 Jan 2008 @ 1:43 pm

    As mentioned before, this review is based on the OpenSuSE LiveCD you can get here.

  3. kv said on 13 Jan 2008 @ 1:47 pm

    Hm, “Notification”->”Player Settings” controls which sound system is used to play notifications sounds while “Sound” category allows you to configure KDE sound system itself. This is not the same, for example you can select aplay program (or even some script) to play notification sounds bypassing KDE sound system at all. Or you can disable notification sounds completely without disabling sound in other places.

  4. Nicolas said on 13 Jan 2008 @ 1:51 pm

    Allowing the user to disable notification sounds is great, this setting should certainly be kept. I don’t know why one would use aplay to playback system notifications sounds though, and not the integrated sound infrastructure. After all, a normal user shouldn’t know about aplay. It’s as if in Windows you should configure your system to use the old “Windows Sound Recorder” tool to playback notification messages…

  5. kv said on 13 Jan 2008 @ 1:51 pm

    aplay was a stupid example. For a better example I could create a script that plays sound at daytime but does nothing at night and use this script to play notifications. I agree that its better to somehow mark this setting as advanced…

    Anyway, I like reading your blogpost. Thanks for pointing out the bugs you have found. I really hope that most of them will be fixed soon. In the meantime please take a look at this warnings: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/talking-bluntly.html
    and this ones: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174

  6. David said on 13 Jan 2008 @ 2:44 pm

    The zoomout button isn’t in the official release. I’m not sure what the use of it is (multimonitor?), but they didn’t put it in because it doesn’t fulfill the use yet.

    For some reason SUSE put it back into their packages.

  7. Anonymous said on 13 Jan 2008 @ 3:37 pm

    About menu categories and positions, that’s usually completely defined by the distribution. openSUSE’s KDE3 has a patch with collapsed sub-menus with a single entry to the higher hierarchy but that has not been ported to KDE4 packages yet.

    About the floppy menu entry, it is hardware dependent. It doesn’t show up in my VMware nor on my laptop. Are you really sure that you didn’t configure a floppy to exist or that VirtualBox is bug free? :-)

    About the zoomout button, that was unnoticed by the Plasma maintainer removed by someone before the release so it’s not in the 4.0.0 tarballs. But it was restored afterwards in the 4.0 branch and the SUSE packages are contains post 4.0.0 branch updates so it shows up there.

  8. Anonymous said on 13 Jan 2008 @ 3:39 pm

    One additional note, to call this a “KDE 4.0 Review” when you’re basically only looking at two of the changed pieces (plasma and system settings) is a joke.

  9. Stoffe said on 13 Jan 2008 @ 4:15 pm

    KDE: All functions with no thought
    GNOME: All thought with no functions

    That’s how it used to be. Now GNOME has most - but not all - the functionality, but KDE still has very little thought… that is my impression from KDE 4. And seeing all the excuses about how a major version number isn’t meant for public consumtion etc etc etc etc etc etc, the KDE people know it too.

  10. troll said on 13 Jan 2008 @ 5:47 pm

    Beautiful bootsplash? Bootsplashes as a concept are entirely broken. There is absolutely no sane reason why a software couldn’t boot up fast enough so that you wouldn’t have to entertain the end user while waiting for it.

  11. Markus said on 13 Jan 2008 @ 8:07 pm

    It is noticable that you did your best to give a fair and unbiased review, and it worked out very well. Thanks for this feedback of yours!

  12. Nicolas said on 14 Jan 2008 @ 1:30 am

    David, Anonymous: regarding the zoom button, I can only (just like every “normal” user) judge what I got in front of me, a day-by-day user won’t check any source code to know whether the feature is standard. If a distribution ships a package which feature X enabled, an end-user interprets this as a standard feature of X.

    Anonymous: regarding the floppy thing, I’ll check lshal and dmesg the next time I boot the VM.

    Stoffe: your words, not mine ;-)

    troll: actually, come check my hard drive performance. Even launching TWM in a simple X server using startx on a cold cache takes several seconds. On a hot cache it takes about 1s.

    Markus: I wanted this to be a fair review (I try never to be unfair, especially on things lots of people work on for fun). Great this was noticed, thanks a lot for the pleasant comment!

  13. Kike said on 18 Jan 2008 @ 5:43 pm

    Hi, do you know how to add icons in the task manager? By accident i deleted the KDE menu launcher, how can I restore it in the plasma bar?

    Thanks for any help..

  14. knifemonkey said on 3 Feb 2008 @ 9:51 pm

    Kike, I believe you have to remove the kde4 config files.

  15. Alex said on 25 Feb 2008 @ 5:36 pm

    I am a big fan of KDE, since I first installed linux. I installed KDE 4 only some days ago, and the truth is that although it is innovative it has still long way to go. First of all, I didn’t like this only-widgets thing. It would be better if KDE kept some features of the previous version, like the panels, and of course the ability to customize them. Another thing I noticed (I am not sure about that, since I’ve been using KDE 4 for about 2 days now), is that you can’t use some applications of the previous version of KDE. From my limited experience with the new KDE desktop I also found it more difficult to customize it’s look and feel, and not in the same extend as the previous version.

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